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Post by Ted-Pencry on 13/10/2012, 16:52

To what Medical standard should a CPO be trained to?
It is quite obvious the FAAW is average. Is the FPOS enough in your honest opinion?

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Post by jimy-decker on 7/11/2012, 18:25

The Tactical Trauma Life Support Course from PPA international is really complet and usefull with 3 days of practice in the combat 's village, we made many good simulations there !
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Post by Ted-Pencry on 8/11/2012, 10:06

Hi Jimy,

Doesn't answer my question but many thanks for the information regarding PPA International.
Where was your course held?

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Post by jimy-decker on 8/11/2012, 12:52

i did it to Aalborg Danmark
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Post by Ted-Pencry on 8/11/2012, 12:58

Roger.
Cheers.

I need to go on a medic course soon and I will do it either with Prometheus or The Medical wing.


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Post by Sabre on 8/11/2012, 20:50

FPOS appears to be the standard that most CPO'S go with. The only problem I see is that equipment needs to be carried such as defibs , not sure if it is logistically possible to always have the equipment to hand for immediate use , especially when out on foot.
FPOS is certainly the better of the two , maybe a medic could give advice to what might be the next step in FA training after this?

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Post by Ted-Pencry on 8/11/2012, 22:09

Agree with you Sabre, FPOS does seem to be the minimum standard CPO's go with.
Companies never used to ask for it, FAAW was enough, but companies soon realised it certainly wasn't enough to go out to Hostile zones.

Regarding defibs, I worked on the same team as a CPO who had an 80 year old as principal, he carried a defib even when on foot and was never without it, mini defibs exist and they can be carried on your belt under a coat.


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Post by Sabre on 8/11/2012, 22:46

Thanks for the info Ted. I only have basic First Aid training and hadn't seen the mini-defibs , they look like a handy bit of kit. Time to look into some more training and get upto speed for me I think!
If you go on a course would you post a review so myself or any other members looking at further training can have an insight into the course and provider?

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Post by Ted-Pencry on 8/11/2012, 22:49

Roger that will do.
As soon as I do my med course will post a full course report.


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Post by Woedendstier on 10/11/2012, 10:56

There is no intermediate qual in the UK between FPOS and Ambulance Technician.

MIRA is a good course but there is a huge controversy about its usefulness/recognition.

So, I would say, if you need a good FPOS, choose one from the VIPER, STORM, etc...

If you want to learn great skills fast, go for MIRA, but then, how are you going to practice these skills ?

If you want to go more advanced and open new doors... Ronin Ambulance Technician ! What else Wink You can split it 3 + 3 instead of 6 weeks at a time.
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Post by Customloads on 10/11/2012, 11:32

The FPOS range of qualifications do not stand alone, they should be based on FAW and in the case of a protection environment they could be augmented with medical gasses training.

Of far greater value is experience. Someone with FAW, FPOSi, AED and O2 training but no experience is little short of a liability. Whereas someone with those same bits of paper and regular experience working as a first aider at events or as a responder will be very nearly as much use as a full time medic.

A good trauma management course, such as run by Remote Medics UK, is a nice add on. But again, this needs to be after some experience has been gained.

I write this as an ambulance technician.
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Post by Tanman on 10/11/2012, 15:35

I think the biggest problem with these add on courses are that the guys on the ground will only do whats required due to time spent on leave and additional costs for a course that isnt recognised by the companys.

I have FPOS I and i work with guys who are FAAW, CLS, EMT B. The problem is the company only recognises the FPOS.

I would love to see a course slightly more advanced than the FPOS and recognised by the companies. I for one would enrol as soon as i could.

As customloads says without practice or continuation training skill fade quickly sets and it is down to the individual to keep on top of his skills.

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Post by Woedendstier on 10/11/2012, 18:07

I would love to see a course slightly more advanced than the FPOS and recognised by the companies. I for one would enrol as soon as i could.

MIRA is.
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Post by Tanman on 11/11/2012, 07:40

MIRA may be above the FPOS but what im trying to get at is that certain companies only accept certain quals.

For example the contract im on will only accept FPOS and not MIRA. G4S in Iraq only want MIRA and not FPOS so as you can see it can be a bit frustrating for an operator on the ground trying to decide which course is going to make him more employable.

It would be good if there was an advanced version of MIRA or FPOS that was universally recognsed by at least all UK based firms. That way an operator knew if he spent the money and time then he would be recognised for his quals and not have the problem of differing views from different companys.

Hope that makes sense.

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Post by Tanman on 11/11/2012, 07:49

I stand corrected with G4S in that they prefer MIRA to FPOS and dont disregard FPOS altogether.

With my contract though, i know for sure they only accept FPOS and not MIRA. I dont understand the reasoning but would still like to see an advanced course.

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Post by Customloads on 11/11/2012, 08:06

Ted's question was is FPOS enough and my opinion is yes - when it is backed up with solid gloves-on experience. There are grades of FPOS and the bolt ons mentioned make it an excellent qualification.

Some volunteering work every few months, to keep up the patient contact hours and you have something really worth putting on your CV.

For once the industry ambiguity about qualifications is a good thing! :)
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Post by Ted-Pencry on 11/11/2012, 08:38

Many thanks to all for your input and advice.
Regarding what tanman was saying, it is a real shame all companies are not on the same wavelength regarding med quals.

He states some prefer MIRA, and some FPOS. Maybe there should be one course which provides both quals?

The FAAW done during an SIA CP isn't enough and all operators know they need further med training after their CP course but very few have funds to do another 2 med courses!!

You add on Firearms, Surveillance, Surveillance Detection, Advanced Driving, Hand to Hand, Marsec courses etc...
Just how much money do you need these days?

I won't be doing 2 med courses and will probably choose the HEMs with the Med Wing or Viper Course with Prometheus.

The FPOS seems to come out more on job ads than Mira.

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Post by Ted-Pencry on 11/11/2012, 08:41

Heard some good things about The SOS Group too... I think the CEO of that company used to own Pheon Close Protection.

SOS Group are on the forum but they have not posted, I hope we will hear from them soon.

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Post by Customloads on 11/11/2012, 14:32

Perhaps a "training wanted" section for people to compare requirements and get together to do a package deal with TPs?

As a trainer I know it would save a ton of cash all round if a group could come to me with 6 people wanting to do a course on a certain date.
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Post by Sabre on 11/11/2012, 15:19

Ted , i too have heard positive reports about SOS from both CP training and Medical training courses.

Good idea Martin , when we have a few more TP`s join us we will have to see if we can organise some courses. Most of us here are constantly seeking to improve our knowledge and skills , it would be good to get together as a group.

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Post by Ted-Pencry on 11/11/2012, 15:32

Great ideas.
I don't have a problem offering a free yearly banner to a Training Provider.

For example:
The training provider then accepts to become a partner of CPD and we organise courses for CPD members only with a CPD discount.

What does the TP have to gain?

1/ Free publicity
2/ Popularity on CPD and amongst CPD members
3/ An easy way of getting numbers and a group together
4/ An easy means of communicating on course program and future dates
4/ Long term business with the forum as new members who will join will see the course reports from past trainees who are long term verified members.

The forum is all new so we are building it from scratch and its very exciting to imagine what the future holds and being a course freak myself, it will be nice going on different types of courses that are tailor made especially for CPD members.


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Post by Customloads on 11/11/2012, 15:48

I am torn by your suggestion! lol

As a TP I would jump at the chance to put together courses for vetted and known members.

But as a member, I want a choice of providers.

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Post by Sabre on 11/11/2012, 15:49

Good ideas and a generous offer Ted. Both Training Provider and members would benefit from this.

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Post by Ted-Pencry on 11/11/2012, 15:56

Thanks Sabre,

I am open to anything really and I am here to serve forum members and to make this forum what the members want it to be.

I want to make of this forum a place where members feel at ease, somewhere they can talk freely about their services and company.

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Post by alexa1 on 11/3/2015, 14:43

Hi All

just to add my point of view to this I hold both FPOS-I which I did with SOS group and will jack up my renewal shortly and MIRA which I did with EX MED. At the time I needed MIRA for working in the hostile environment. Looking at what has been asked I think if the CPO is operating in a UK/Europe environment then the foundation of FPOS-I backed up with some volunteer experience with the local community first responder is what has been suggested to me as you get free on going training and clinical hands on experience. I guess it boils down to the experience of the team you are working with and the location also the path suggested to me means you save spending lots of money on various courses that you may or may not need. Also a great deal is driven by what the client wants qualification wise.

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Post by Ted-Pencry on 11/11/2015, 09:39

The Mira is sort of the same as FPOS-I, same level, I am now looking to do the EMT-B. Don't know who to go with. Maybe PPA or Merit Training.

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